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Jimer Lins
Gallente Pod Six Research
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Posted - 2007.12.27 22:57:00 -
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The risk of lowsec is far too high for most players; pirates complain about people not coming to lowsec and how it sucks that the carebears don't make themselves available to be a target, but fail to see that it's their own activity that has driven them out.
They're a classic example of a predator that overhunts its prey. You can't try and kill everyone who comes into lowsec and expect them to keep trying. By and large, the only people in lowsec now are pirates, travelers in covops/shuttles, a few mission runners that haven't gotten fed up enough and 0.0 alts cynoing stuff in or out of empire.
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Pod Six Research
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Posted - 2007.12.27 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Cailais
Originally by: Jimer Lins The risk of lowsec is far too high for most players; pirates complain about people not coming to lowsec and how it sucks that the carebears don't make themselves available to be a target, but fail to see that it's their own activity that has driven them out.
They're a classic example of a predator that overhunts its prey. You can't try and kill everyone who comes into lowsec and expect them to keep trying. By and large, the only people in lowsec now are pirates, travelers in covops/shuttles, a few mission runners that haven't gotten fed up enough and 0.0 alts cynoing stuff in or out of empire.
This is true, but then the argument is that the rewards of high sec far out weigh the risks of low sec / 0.0. Or in other words even with far fewer pirates still no-one would venture beyond highsec.
In y view thi is because many players in high sec recognise they dont have to 'tools' to operate in low sec space. I once accidentaly un-docked my alt in a mining barge, and confidently aimed at a nearby belt. Seconds later I realised I was, in fact, in a 0.3 system: I couldnt dock fast enough.
The point being I realised how defenceless I was against someone like me!
Provide players with ships that can mine, salvage, & mission run and still have a fighting chance in low sec and more will be tempted if the rewards are there.
C.
Now this I can agree with- if a mining barge could actually defend itself effectively, or if PVE required the same fittings as PVP, you'd see more people in lowsec because they wouldn't be gankbait. As it is, few bother- you can't get someone to guard your lowsec mining op and you can't rat or mission effectively in a ship that stands a chance vs a human player. You only need to get asploded a few times to learn that lowsec isn't for you if you're not trying to kill people.
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Pod Six Research
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Posted - 2007.12.27 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Corpse Mage All level 3-4 missions should be removed from high sec and all ore should be removed from the belts.
By the time a player can do L3 missions they are ready for low sec/0.0
You're wrong.
The ships and fittings used for those missions might as well be a shuttle when it comes to a player in a PVP fitted ship. It's not a question of being "ready", it's a question of the game mechanics. If you're fit for mission running, you're at a huge disadvantage when attacked by a player. Not to mention that NPCs don't switch targets so you've got both the mission rats to deal with and the guy trying to gank you.
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Pod Six Research
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Posted - 2007.12.28 07:41:00 -
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Originally by: Gamesguy That's bull****. My 2nd day in eve I was in lowsec mining. You dont need XXX amount of SP and XXX amount of isk to be "ready" for lowsec. The best way to learn is to be thrown headfirst into lowsec/0.0 with a couple million isk and a few t1 frigs, you learn real quick this way.
All the carebears telling all the newbies "oh noes! dont go into lowsec! you'll die to the ebil pirates!" is whats wrong with eve today, that and the fact that L4s are too damn profitable.
Your second day in EVE was over two years ago. In case you hadn't noticed, things have changed a bit since then.
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Pod Six Research
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Posted - 2007.12.28 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Gamesguy Edited by: Gamesguy on 28/12/2007 09:28:25
Originally by: Jimer Lins
Originally by: Gamesguy That's bull****. My 2nd day in eve I was in lowsec mining. You dont need XXX amount of SP and XXX amount of isk to be "ready" for lowsec. The best way to learn is to be thrown headfirst into lowsec/0.0 with a couple million isk and a few t1 frigs, you learn real quick this way.
All the carebears telling all the newbies "oh noes! dont go into lowsec! you'll die to the ebil pirates!" is whats wrong with eve today, that and the fact that L4s are too damn profitable.
Your second day in EVE was over two years ago. In case you hadn't noticed, things have changed a bit since then.
On my 2nd day I mined enough hemorphite to fund a bestower for my 3rd day(have you ever tried hauling ore in a frig?), and on that day it died to a pirate prophecy that tried to ransom me for 8mil. My skills were so **** at that point that everytime a blood revenent(oh how I hated those things) spawned at the belt I'd have to abandon all my ore because I couldnt kill it/tank it.
Newbies today has it easy with highsec salvaging as a good source of income as well as expensive low end ores(2 years ago trit was what? 1 isk/each?). I've never even heard of missioning till like 6 months into eve, and then I proceeded to lose 2 apocs because I had no idea ravens would be 10 times easier to use.
Please, tell me how lowsec has changed, beyond the fact that highsec is far more profitable now.
Of course it's more profitable- only the insane would gamble on the sewer that lowsec has become (and I spend more time in lowsec/0.0 than hisec). In terms of ISK/hour, lowsec is more profitable only when the risk of losing your ship or pod is below a certain point, and we passed that **** a long time ago.
And at least on these characters, I'm older than you. I rememmber what it was like then. It's not that way now.
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Pod Six Research
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Posted - 2008.01.01 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Gamesguy
Funny how isk farming ravens dont seem to have this problem with risk vs reward. Its a sad day when isk farmers are smarter than you.
You're right, its all risk and no reward in 0.0 for people who are dumber than isk farmers.
ISK farmers don't care about the time they invest or the quality of their game. They're simply performing a task. Your analogy fails- anyone can rat 23/7 on 5 accounts and lose a ship from time to time. The difference is, of course- that's not fun, it's a job. It's not a question of intellect.
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